The Eckley Oral History Project

IM Inter. M/M Falatko -22- 8/11/72 Tape 11

IM And the canning technique, the regular technique with the parafin over the top and the Bell Mason jars or Kerr jars with the libble rubber things, I remember those, I grew up right next to a town where Bell Mason jar were mad in Muncy, Indiana

CF She don't jar much it's no use she use to jar pickels and things

MF I'm not allowed to have salt and you have to have some salt in there and he don't care for them for what am I goin' to make them

CF Lots of tomatoes she jarred and red beets and stringbeans

IM Can you come thru

CF Yeh, I'm alright, Ihave my other leg in (there, crossed out) this, oh brother, o.k. thank you

DM Just asking sure you got thru there o.k., he hasn't been able to walk right for years has he he's been that way for a long time

MF 17 yrs.

DM He's in great shape considering that, you know

MF But it's gettin' worse and worse everyday it's drainin' off on him, he changes sometimes 2 & 3 times

DM And has he had a doctor look at it lately

MF Oh yes( he's had a, crossed out) [????] doctor right along see all of those bones were crushed and sometimes they are stickin' out and the doctor pulls them out

DM It's a good thing he has a good sense of humor

MF Ain't it, but he does

DM He could be really something without it, I admire someone like that that can beas up under something like that I hope I never have to

MF He had a terrible leg there, it was hangin' just like on a string, maybe they could save it much better but when they took him out of the mines they left him in the sun and the blood and everything stayed and got thick see if the blood would have come out it would have been much better but it didn't come out

DM And this is 17 yrs. ago, you'd have thought they would have known more about

A. Varesano interviewing Steve Sikora -4- 7/19/72 089 Tape 22-1 AV: Do you remember that incident? SS: Naw, I don't remember, just that I heard of it. Because we just about came in, 1918 from Farmertown we moved, when we lived down there in the cullent? AV: What did your house look like on the Back Street? SS: Well, the same as them that's up there, you see them two that's up there? AV: Oh, you mean like Mrs. Timko's house? SS: That's right. Only burs had a sheet-iron roof. AV: Sheet iron? SS: Yeah, metal. It was like that there corrugated. AV: Was it a weatherboard from the outside? SS: Yeah, same as these. Same as these, only it was a smaller home, that's all. There was only one bedroom upstairs, that's all. AV: Just that part, like under the pointed roof. SS: That's right, one bedroom. And there there was a little cubby-hole, we called it, you know, a little bodda there, where the stove-pipes used to come through. So, there wasn't much room. And they said there used to be a lot of people, I mean, they used to live in them homes, too. I mean, the boarders they used to have, some of them. AV: In the Shanty Street homes? Well, how many rooms on the first floor? SS: There was only two downstairs that I know, the parlor and the kitchen. That's all. AV: And did they have a built-in summer kitchen? Attached to it? The shanty? SS: No, from the house to the shanty it used to be open. There wasn't a building like it is now. There used to be a space in between the house and the shanty, they had a boardwalk. So they used to do mostly all their cooking back in the shanty. Their washing, and all that stuff. AV: Was this boardwalk on your house roofed over, or just open? SS: It was just a platform to walk on, that's all. All boards. AV: Oh, it was not anything fancy, like... SS: No, it was just boards, I mean, two wide boards, side by side, for a boardwalk, that's all. AV: I see. SS: And it wasn't closed in, like now. It used to be open between the shanty and the house. You could see all the way down, you know what I mean? AV: Why was it separate from the rest of the house? SS: Well, that's the way they put 'em up, because, I guess everybody stopped comin' in, because there was a lot of work here. I guess they put 'em up in a hurry, is all. AV: The inside of that Stanty Street house, was that plastered or papered?

A. Varesano interviewing Steve Sikora -7- 7/19/72 115 Tape 22-1 AV:It wasn't the men's job at all? SS: No, the mean never interfered with that line of work. AV: You mean you never fussed around with... SS: N'how they ever used to put that, but it used to hand, too, you know? That cloth! AV: Yeah? How do you mean, it used to hang? SS: Well, how they used to put it up, I don't remember, but they used it on the sides, all around. And then the whole thing used to s-- away from the ceiling you know? It used to be pretty even, but it used to be raggish. Different color, you know. AV: What did you have on your ceiling, printed cloth? SS: Well, just sort of a print, or either a solid, you know? I even forget. I think mine was more of a solid color. AV: Who did the papering in there, the women or the men? SS: The ladies, I mean, the wife. They used to get together and they used to help one another. AV: What did your father do when he came home from the mines, just in the way of a hobby or something to help out? SS: What did he do, oh I'll tell you! He used to make sure that there was wood in the house, and coal. You know, there used to be coal in them days, in them days you could pick coal. they wouldn't stop you. AV: Did you pick coal? SS: Oh, yeah, I used to pick it here, but since I am on pension I don't go there. AV: Ah, what kind of thing did he to do help out in the family? Did he hunt or trap, or anything? SS: No, he didn't have no sports of that sort. He used to like to pitch crates. Or play checkers. And play cards. What I mean, like pinochle, he used to love that. That was his hobby. AV: He didn't hunt or fish? SS: No, he never went for that. AV: Did he know anything about shoe-fixing or shoemaking? SS: Yes, he used to fix all them shoes. He had one of them things, you know, I still have them in the coop. AV: What's it called? SS: Kopicka. we call it in Slavish. It's a shoe thing, you know, you put a shoe over it. It's a stand, and then there's a thing made like a shoe, and then you put the shoe over it. So, we used to fix our shoes. You'd get an old piece of leather, and take the whole sole off and put new leather on, or either rubber, that heavy rubber like you see they have on a truck, like the flaps? That's what they used to make it strong, you know. AV: Did he make the shoes, besides fix them? SS: No, he didn't make the shoes. just repair the soles, that's all, or the heels. AV: Did you know how to do that? I mean, did you learn from him how to do that? SS: I used to watch him. I used to get the stuff, like the leather and stuff from the shoemaker's. We used to have a shoemaker here in town. AV: Oh, an Italian fellow. SS: That's right. What was the name, oh, it's one of their daughters that married to...ah..Bartols. He was a shoemaker. He was a good shoemaker. Then his son took over, he's not living here now, though. I used to work in the mines with him, with the son. But he pulled out somewhere, I don't know, Philadelphia or somewhere. AV: Where did he have his shop downtown? SS: Right in the house, right by the house, he had a little place built on the stone side of the house, like.

A. Varesano interviewing Steve Sikora -6- 7/19/72 146 Tape 22-1 AV: Oh, the Bertold house. That's not there any more? SS: No, it's ripped down. It's right across from Fatula's out here. Johnny Fatula. Right there. AV: What kind of a house did it look like? SS: Well, it was a little different house that these here. AV: Not a double-house type? SS: No, it was a single. Something like Fatulas. In that order. AV: And he had it built on to the side of his house. SS: Yeah, on the side: He had to come out of the house, and then he'd have his thing, like, in the garden. It was away from the house a little bit. The shoemaker's shop. AV: Oh, it's SS: Yeah, they probably put that up there, some place, yes. AV: How big was the place? SS: Oh, about as big as this. AV: Oh, twenty feet by twenty? SS: I'd say yes, something like that. About the size of this, I guess. AV: And the construction of that, do you remember? Did it have a pointed roof, or a flat roof? SS: Well, sort of a pointish, I would say. It was like a point, you know, like an ice cream cone. That's the way that one was built. That's how I remember it. AV: Ice cream cone? SS: Like a point, you know? AV: Like this roof here? SS: Ice cream cone upside down, you know! AV: Oh! Okay! It was a square, a rectangular-type structure? SS: Yeah, it was just squared off, something like this, I guess, but I mean had a pointy roof, and that's where he had the shoemaker's shop. AV: Did you ever go in there? SS: Oh, yeah. A lot of times I want in there. AV: He must have had a separate coal stove for that. SS: Yeah, he had like a heather, you know, them old-time heaters..It used to burn coal. AV: And how much his stuff, do you remember that? SS: Well, you mean the... AV: His shoes? SS: Well, they had different prices, I guess, for different shoes. What the prices, I couldn't tell you, because, I mean, like my father, he used to mostly fix ours, you know, smaller. But once in a while he used to take them down there. But the price I forget, what he used to charge. AV: It must have been pretty low, compared to, ah, looking at the wages of the miners at the time. SS: Oh, yeah, well the miners wasn't making much money. Look, when I started to work, I was only making three dollars a day. AV: What did you do? SS: When I first, well, I say, a mule operator. That's all I was making. AV: What did your father do? SS: Well, he worked in the mines, and some places, but I don't remember that, you know. Because he traveled pretty near all over the United States, my father, you know? Wherever there was work, he went there, you know, for his bread. He went through Kingston and all them places. Parkut, and all over. AV: Did he have his miner's certificate? SS: Yeah. But I never seen it, I mean. Because even his paper, his certificates

A. Varesano interviewing Steve Sikora -8- 7/19/72 208 Tape 22-1 SS: come home with mushrooms. Redtoppers - ??? they called them - white toppers, he used to go out and pick mushrooms. He used to go down towards ???? , there used to be a ball field there where they used to play baseball. Down in there he used to have a ???? place, he would always come home with a big bagful. He used to always have a water bucket with him. He used to carry a water bucket. Twelve-quart bucket. He would always come home with that filled up. AV: And did he pick those ??? SS: And ???? he used to pick, too. Yup. Them little ones, I mean them peppertops, they called them. AV: Pepper-tops. SS: Yeah. Well, like pepper on top of them. AV: What did you finally do with them after they got them? Did you eat them right away or did you can them? SS: Well, some of them we used to dry. Like say, we even dry them here ourselves, like, you put 'em in a bag on the stove. See, the stove has to be burning. Like a coal stove. Well, you hang them on a string, you string them on a string, you cut them up first, in sections like, the stems separate and, you know. Then you keep putting with a needle through the thing until you have a ring, like if you would put a necklace on, you know. Then you hand them on the stove, by the stove, and they would dry up, you know, if there was any bugs or anything in them, they used to crawl out from the heat. And you dry them and they'll last for years and years. AV: And you'dc cook them when you wanted them? SS: Well, they used to save them for Christmas. AV: Yeah, that's the special... SS: See, we have a bagful in there now, I mean, for, oh, a good many years already that we have dried. For Christmas, they always had for the Eve, you know what I mean? Christmas Eve. AV: That's good. What did your family do on Christmas Eve? SS: Oh, like, have a supper, you know. Mushrooms, and then you get wafers from church and stuff like that. Like if you go for Communion. Put a little honey, you dip it in, and stuff like that, so. AV: Did you have any special type of custom that you did? SS: Well, like what? AV: Well, bring in the kuba players, or? SS: Oh, yeah, there used to be kubas used to come around in them days. They used to go around and sing all these songs from church. They used to get permission, you know? Used to have like a permit. Joe Charnigy used to be one. Did he ever tell you? Yeah he was one. You ask him sometime. And my uncle, here, that passed away, he used to be. He used to be that spady, they called it, the old man. And then they used to be- dressed up, you know, with big straws things filled up, (like a barrel) filled up with straw. They used to call him the spady, and then there was another fellow with him, they used to call him the mady. That was old and young, you know? Oh, they used to be good days. Happy days. AV: How about Halloween? What did you do around here on Halloween? In the old days? SS: Oh, gee, I don't know, the olden days on Halloween. Oh, I even forget what they, we used to do. I know today they come right to your door somehow. AV: Yeah. I thought the young boys around here pulled a few pranks now and then? SS: I don't know much about Halloween, I mean, but I remember unless it comes in my mind later on, or something. AV: How about Thanksgiving? What did the people do around here on Thanksgiving?

A. Varesano interviewing Steve Sikora -10- 7/19/72 Tape 2 274 SS: what I mean? I mean, when we were small, he used, at night, before we'd go to bed, he used to sit down with us and say our prayers with us. Oh, yeah, he was strict on that, you know. But as far as schooling, well, if you went or not, he didn't care. As far as church was, he was strict. He made sure that you wanted to go to church, that you had to go to church. But schooling he didn't care too much. Of course he didn't like to see you missing schools either, he used to holler, you know? But church was his idea. AV: Was it Greek Catholic, or... SS: Yeah, it was Slavish. Something like Greek. AV: Did he tell you to say your prayers in Slavic? SS: Well, yeah, he was teaching us, see. 'Cause he couldn't talk good English. But towards, already, his older days, why he started picking up pretty good. AV: Well, how about in your family? Who was educated the most, the girls, the boys. or did they have the same? SS: No, they all had the same schooling, about the same grads, I'd say. Six, seven grades, they got of school, and go to work, see? AV: Everybody, boys and girls? SS: Well, yeah. AV: Did your father think that the girls should be educated as much as the boys? SS: Well, I don't think he was very interested in that. Because, you know, old country people, they don't.... As far as the church was, I mean, he made sure that that, bu as far as education he didn't care too much about that. He never was too strict with that. Which they should have been, you know. But when they come from old country, you know how it is. AV: Yeah, it is real different. I heard, too, that some of them, they didn't care to have the girls educated to any extent at all, because after all, they would just get married any way. SS: Yeah. And they were strict, I mean, with the girls, I mean. They wouldn't leave them out after nine o'clock, and I mean they wasn't allowed to talk to no boys, like today or anything, oh no. AV: No? Well, I heard that they used to have a custom of walking around town in couples, on what they used to call Monkey Night. Did you remember that? SS: Well, we used to hang out down by The Love Rock, they used to come to Love Rock, of course I was getting older, you know. There was a big rock there, and we used to hang out there. And the girls, I mean, they'd go together and the boys would be separate, you know what I mean? By gangs, like, you know. Say, there'd be six girls, they'd be walking together by themselves,and they never used to interfere with the boys, you know what I mean? Like today, hand in hadn, Huh-uh! Huh-uh! That was out! AV: What did you use the Love Rock for? SS: We used to sit there and hang out. It was just a little hang-out, you know. And it'd start, whistle at the girls and stuff, little by little, you know, we'd start teasing 'em as they'd be walking along. You know how things...! AV: Yeah! About what age would that be, fourteen, or... SS: I would say around twelve, something like that. Over ten. But today, they see you there, Phewt-phew (whistle)! You know? Yeah, the girls, it was a whole different story, I mean you just couldn't see a girl with a guy, like today. Hm-umm. AV: Well, how did they get to meet the guys around here? SS: Well, as they was getting older, you know, they started, things would start picking up there, you know what I mean? Started getting them by themself, already, so. They wasn't so strict, you know. What I mean, with their children. When they were getting older. But when they were younger, they kept them down, you know what I mean? Kept tabs on them.

A. Varesano interviewing Steve Sikora -11- 7/19/72 313 Tape 22-1 AV: Ah, younger, meaning in the early teens? Fourteen or... SS: Well, something like that. Twelve, fourteen... AV: When did they decide that the girls were old enough to get married? SS: Well, I don't know, as far as the old people, they didn't want them to get married. Stay with the family, you know. They didn't believe in it, a lot of them didn't believe in it. They like to have the family always together, you know? AV: And they didn't think the girls should get married, or what? SS: No, they didn't like that. AV: What were they supposed to do? Just help around the house, and take care of the... SS: Well, most of them were so strict, I mean, they wasn't even allowed to leave the house. They used to always have them around, you know. So. A lot of parents were strict with their children, you know? Like some of them, take my father and my mother, well they wasn't too strict, so. But a lot of them, they were. AV: So your girls, your sisters, had a chance to get out and meet some of the boys, more? SS: Well, like my oldest sister, there, I don't know, how old she was when she left home, and she went and got married, and that was just how you'd start going. Then my brother, he got old enough, after he was twenty-one already, then he left. He got married. It's the old story, you know what I mean? When the bird gets his wings, he takes off, you know. AV: I heard also they had some of these arranged marriages. The parents would get together and sort of say that, you know, I've got a boy, you've got a girl, let's marry them. Did you hear of any of that around here? SS: Well, I don't know of any in my days, you know what I mean. See, in my younger days, I wouldn't remember nothing like that, s'all. AV: When you say about strict, I thought, well, maybe if they couldn't meet them any other way, the parents would sosrt of arrange for the marriage? SS: Well, I guess some of the families would do that, you know? Some of the fathers and mothers, they would probably do it. But most of them was strict, though. G'strict, too, you know what I mean? AV: That bad, huh? SS: But, as the years go on by, then things started, I mean, the families was starting to loosen up everything. AV: What do you think caused that? SS: Well, I guess they come from the old country, most of them, they were brought up that way. That's what I would say. AV: I wanted to ask you also, you told me before that you used to trap a lot. SS: Me? Oh, yeah. AV: And get bounties on... SS: On fox, weasel.... AV: Who taught you how to do that? SS: Why, Connie O'Donnell, a friend of mine. A good friend of mine. You know Connie? Oh, he's a wonderful man. He married a Washko girl from Freeland. He's in Jersey now, though. AV: Is he related to Nellie O'Donnell? SS: No. He used to live up here where Gaffney's live. His father is still living in Freeland now. They used to live downtown right where Danny Nicklaus lives, his mother passed away, he was only three years old or something. Small boy.. Had two boys. AV: He taught you? SS: Um-hmm. His uncle taught him, and he taught me.

A. Varesano interviewing Steve Sikora -13- 7/19/72 305 Tape 22-1 SS: nose was ruined, they wouldn't pay no bounty. AV: Why did they pick the nose? SS: Well, I don't know. I guess that was about the best part of the fox, that for the animal that, you know, they could depend on, I mean that, they cut that nose, it wouldn't be sold again. That's the idea there. AV: And how did they get the pelt, how do they skin it? Do they make an incision underneath the paws, or, then pull it down? SS: Yeah, that's right. I used to cut the thing like around here, and start working it all the way down, and I'd stretch it, boards and all. I could show you down in that coop down there. I got all that stuff. Sometime. I keep pullin' here all the way down, and you put 'em on the stretchin' bar, but you turn 'em inside out, so the inside is out. And you let it dry, you know? AV: How long would that take? SS: Oh, about a week? AV: Where would you put it to dry? SS: Well, like now. You put it out in the sun. AV: Right out there? SS: Oh, we used to have a lot of flies around, though! Them big horse-flies. They used to eat all that. Well, then you wouldn't get all the fat off, or the meat, and there used to be, you know, pieces of meat on it. So the flies would eat all that stuff. Then the maggots would go on. They'd lay their eggs, you know what I mean? But then they would fall off. I mean, you'd just get a brush and brush it. It would be snow-white. The flies used to do a lot of work for us. In other words, you know, they'd eat all that meat. AV: You didn't do too much scraping on the inside then? SS: Well, as much as you could, the best you could. AV: What kind of tool, knife? SS: No, we had a regular scraper, you'd call it. It's just like a razor, but it's big, you know. Flesh-knife, they call it. Fleshing knife. Yeah. AV: And, did you teach any of your sons? SS: Well, I startedmy boy out, well, I only had the boy and a daughter. I started him out. Well, first hunting. I start him out hunting. I got him a four-pin Gaither , that's a shotgun. He got one rabbit, and that was it. He didn't want to, he didn't go out after that. AV: He didn't want to shoot? SS: Hm-mmm. He didn't believe in killin'. AV: You hunt, too? SS: Oh, me, yeah. I been huntin' ever since I was a kid. I love it. AV: Who taught you to hunt? SS: Myself. I picked it up. Well, my friends. I used to watch them go, and I used to go with them. there was one fellow they call ?????. He had a single-shot gun there, he used to go for rabbits. He didn't have no dogs or anything. He used to walk, and I used to be behind him. And you kicked the rabbit out, you know. I mean you'd scare him out by yourself. You didn't have a dog. That's how I picked it up. Oh, I was crazy for that. Still love it. AV: When did you first start? SS: Well, I was about, I'd say sixteen. AV: And you started out with a shot-gun? SS: Un-hmm. And today there are rifles and everything. AV: What did you hunt at first? Rabbits? SS: Well, small game, yeah. Rabbits, pheasant. But there wasn't many pheasant like there is today, like the grouse, you know what I mean? Or ring-neck. Well, of course the state's starting to put that stuff in, you know. Mostly

A. Varesano interviewing Steve Sikora -17- 7/19/72 Tape 22-1 538 SS: him just like a dog! Yeah. AV: Table scraps and everything? SS: Yeah. That's right. AV: And he snapped the chain? SS: Yeah, he broke the chain, and, oh, I felt bad. See I wanted to take him for a walk! On a leash! But.... He was nice and fat, you know? I felt so bad. 544 It was just like, I don't know, like losing my best friend, that's all. AV: Did you ever make anything like ???? rings? ????? SS: Well, I didn't make them, but I had them made. I had the sulphur stone, and I used to get the ?????, and I would take them to a fellow there in Jeddo. I forget his name. He used to make them. My boy just almost lost his finger over my ring. AV: What happened? SS: Well, he got stuck on a truck. He was hanging- the truck that he drives. That's my son. I had a ????? ring, and it had a sulphur square stone in it. I had that one, that was home-made. And the ring will never rust, it's ?????. So he says, could I have the ring. I said, well, take it. So there he was wearing it, wearing it, and just about a month ago, he, yeah, almost lost his finger over it. I worked in the mines, and everything, I mean I had lots of rings, I mean, even the wedding bands, I wouldn't take nothing, never. 'Cause I seen too many boys in the service jumping from those trucks, and they had these slats on, and they lose their fingers. See? That's what happened with him. AV: So you wouldn't take any down to the mines, wear any rings down there? SS: Hm-mmm. Not me. But there was a lot of them that used to. AV: Did they encounter trouble with it? SS: No, but I mean, you could never tell, something would catch your ring, you know? And you could lose your life over a ring. AV: These rings, when did you save them, for special occasions, or after work, or what? SS: Well, like say on the weekends or something, you'd slip them on. You dressed up, you'd go to a wedding or a party, or something like that. Look your best, s'all. AV: Did the ladies used to wear them, too? SS: Well, some of them I used to see, they used to have shapes of hearts, a lot of beautiful oones, and just up here, I mean, up on the Back Street. And it was shape of a heart, I got that for my girl, too. Oh, it was beautiful. Sulphur stone. And then it disappeared and I never found it today. AV: A boy wouldn't make one for his girl? SS: Well, I guess some of them would, you know. I would say so. If you have that trade, you know what I mean? You probably would. AV: Did your father make any? SS: No, my father, he wasn't in line with that stuff. He used to be mostly picking coal and chopping wood, you know? He was a hard-plugger. So. No schooling, you know what I mean? AV:Where did you get the sulphur stones from? SS: In the mines. In the rocks. They used to be in the rocks. We used to chisel them out, or sometime they'd be loose, in square blocks, they could be busted up with a hammer, and just set them in, make a ring. You'd glue them in.

A. Varesano interviewing Steve Sikora -18- 7/19/72 Tape 22-1 AV: Where did you get the ??? SS: Well, there was pieces of iron around like that, it's like a shaft. And they used to cut that, then they'd drill a hole, the width of the ring, like, you know. And the fellow used to grind it down on a grinder, like, sandstone or whatever it is. And they used to put the shape to it. AV:And then they used to punch a hole in the top for the sulphur stone? SS: Yeah, they used to flatten it out, like, and they used to square it whichever way you wanted it, you know. AV: Solder it in with lead? SS: No, they used to just glue it in, I'd say glue. Some kind of a glue, I don't know what they used to use. I had one made in Jeddo there, the one that my boy is using. But I never watched how he made it. It's just that I gave him the stuff and he made it, s'all. He had the machinery for it. AV: You mentioned how your father had to go out and chop wood. Did you do that, too? SS: Well, I used to help, yeah. Chop wood, and then he used to have a big pile, then we all had to pile it up nice, like in the shanty. AV: Did you use it, you didn't have a coal stove at the time? SS: Oh, yeah. AV: What did you use the wood for? SS: Well, to start the fire, that was all. Sometimes it was filled with logs, you know what I mean? AV: What kind of wood did you go for? SS: Oh, my father, he wasn't particular, I mean, he used to have anything he'd cut up with a hand saw, you know. He'd cut it up. Or sometimes he'd have one of these old mine saw, and the two of us used to cut. A handle on each side, it takes two men to operate them saws. AV: What kind of tree did you go for, large? How big in diameter? SS: Well, he would even take it as far as a telegraph pole. The bigger the better it was for him, because he was a, my father was a heavy worker, you know what I mean? He used to like to work hard, I mean, so! And I was only small, and it'd be pullin' that saw, and you're not used to it, you know? And he used to give me heck, he'd say, Well, pull her! You know, he'd have to pull me and the saw! I would just hold it! So I used to get a little heck, you know? AV: So, what did you do when you felled one of those trees like that, six inches in diameter or so? SS: Well, you'd cut it up into squares, I mean, pieces, and then chop it up with an ax. And put it away for the winter in the shanty, you know. AV: Did you take the whole log back home to chop it up, or did you cut it up in the woods? SS: No, in the garden. You'd haul it into the garden, then chop it in the garden. Right there, and you wouldn't have far to carry it. AV: How did you haul the log? SS: Me and my father, just on the shoulders. AV: Yeah? The whole thing: SS: Well, there would be some that you couldn't carry, you know. What he could carry, he would. Maybe if it was half of a telegraph pole, he would carry that, you see? AV: And you'd just carry the equipment then? SS: Yeah. So, most of the wood was chopped in the garden, and it was cut in the garden. But he would go out for the slabs, you know what I mean? AV: Yeah. Where did you store it? In a special place that he made? SS: Well, he had like a shanty, that we have, you know. He'd just put it over