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been personally acquainted with?
A. Well, I don't know. I think I have been acquainted with them all. — Since its incorporation, do you mean?
Q. 167 Since the first incorporation of the Central Pacific Railroad Company of California, in 1861, to the present time.
A. O, yes: if you go back as far as that, there were a good many that I was not personally acquainted with.
Q. 168 I will confine my question, then, to the period from the time when you first became an incorporator of the Contract and Finance Company until you ceased to act as; Secretary of that Company. During that time was there any person acting as treasurer of the Central Pacific Railroad Company, or any officer charged with the payment of money directly from its treasury, that was not personally known to you?
A. I am not sure. I think that there were none that I did not know personally.
Q. 169 Were not the persons who paid money to you in your capacity of secretary of the Contract and Finance Company personally known to you to be officers of the Central Pacific Railroad Company?
A. If money was paid on account of the
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Central Pacific Railroad Company I think it must have been paid by persons connected with the Central Pacific Railroad Company.
Q. 170 You have stated that, as secretary of the Contract and Finance Company, you received moneys from the Central Pacific Railroad Company for the purpose of compensating the Contract and Finance Company for the construc= =tion of portions of the railroad. Now I ask you from whom you received such payments.
A. From officers of the Central Pacific Railroad Company.
Q. 171 Who were those officers?
A. That I cannot remember — their names — at any particular time.
Q. 172 Do you say that you cannot recollect the name of any officer of the Central Pacific Railroad Company who made pay= =ments to you, as secretary of the Contract and Finance Company?
A. You mentioned one that I remember: E. H. Miller.
Q. 173 Do you recollect receiving any money from Charles T. Scudder?
A. Yes sir: I think I received money from him.
Q. 174 What was his connection with the Central Pacific Railroad Company at the
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time you so received money from him?
A. He was some kind of a clerk there: I don't know what.
Q. 175 Was he not assistant treasurer of the Company?
A. That I don't remember.
Q. 176 Did he so sign "his name"[scribbled out] in his trans= =actions with your corporation?
A. I don't remember.
Q.177 Did you receive any money from E. A. Hopkins, or S. A. Hopkins?
A. I don't remember whether I did or not. I don't remember when they commenced their official connection with the Company.
Q. 178 How often were payments made to you by the Central Pacific Railroad Company?
A. I don't remember how often.
Q. 179 Did you have no periodical times for payment or settlement with them?
A. I think not.
Q. 180 Were there no accounts passing between you?
A. Yes sir: accounts were passing.
Q. 181 How often were those accounts made up and rendered?
A. I don't remember how often.
Q. 182 Did you make up an account with them each month?
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A. Probably oftener. I don't remember.
Q. 183 You speak of making payments for labor performed upon the road. Did you make all those payments?
A. Make them all?
Q. 184 Yes sir.
A. No; not all.
Q. 185 You sometimes went out on the road and paid laborers, did you not?
A. Sometimes.
Q. 186 How did you pay them: in coin?
A. Yes sir.
Q. 187 Taking the coin from Sacramento out on the road?
A. Yes.
Q. 188 Who furnished you information of the time that each man had labored and the amount due to him, so that you could make such payments correctly?
A. My assistants in the office.
Q. 189 Who were those assistants?
A. I mentioned them before. Ralph Smith was the first one.
Q. 190 The persons you have mentioned before?
A. Yes sir.
Q. 191 Were they out on the road, so as to inform themselves of —
A. [Interrupting:] They sometimes went
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out on the road.
Q. 192 Were they employed to work on the road, or to work in your office?
A. To work in the office.
Q. 193 How were the amounts due the laborers furnished to your office?
A. The money for them?
Q. 194 How was information of the amounts due furnished to your office?
A. By the various foremen and super= =intendents of work in the different depart= =ments.
Q. 195 Had the Contract and Finance Company a general superintendent of the work which they were performing?
A. They had superintendents of different departments.
Q. 196 Did they have one general superintendent?
A. I don't remember of any.
Q. 197 Will you name the superintendents of the departments?
A. I think that Arthur Brown was, for most of the time, superintendent of the bridge department.
Q. 198 Do you remember any other persons?
A. Mr. Strowbridge, superintendent of grading, and that kind of work.
Q. 199 Any others?
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